Feb 20 2009

Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 – Feb. 2009

Published at 10:57 am

It’s been a paywall extravaganza for the last two months. I’m seeing signs that it’s coming to an end, so this is a good time to do a round up of all the best arguments.

[I've tried to be careful and consistent with formatting and with dates. This symbol < in the dateline means that I've had to guess at the publication time, and the best I could do was suggest that the article came out sometime before this time. I tried to suss that out using first mention on Twitter.]

December

December 20, 2008 < 8:24 pm
How to save the newspaper industry by Joel Brinkley

Here’s where it all started, two months ago today.

Now, here’s my idea: The newspaper industry should ask the Justice Department for an antitrust exemption that would allow publishers to collaborate on a decision to begin charging for their Web sites. No paper would have to charge, and each paper could determine its own price. But if most papers in a region – San Francisco, Oakland and San Jose, for example – began charging for Web access at more or less the same time, many readers would likely subscribe.

Stanford University j-prof Brinkley implicitly understands that unless all news sources start charging at the same time, everyone will just go to the free sources, killing the paid ones quick-fast. So he proposes a government-sanctioned cartel. It’s a theme we’ll see later on with Alan Mutter.

December 21, 2008 – 1:52 pm
Idaho Falls editor’s response to Joel Brinkley’s essay by Roger Plothow

The editor of a paper that has paywalls writes in to tell Brinkley that newspapers can just put up paywalls on their own.

To play devil’s advocate, why should the newspaper industry seek what amounts to a bailout for having made idiotic decisions 10 years ago? Why can’t we just change our business model? Do we really need the protection of the federal government to make this obvious business decision?

December 22, 2008 – 10:51 am
Grasping at Straws by Mark Potts

Recovering Journalist Mark Potts points out that even if all the newspapers banded together, other sources of news would fill the gap.

Newspapers are just part of the picture. Any given local media ecosystem also comprises community papers, alternative papers, business papers, ethnic papers, TV stations, radio stations, blogs, community newsgroups and listservs, Web players (Yelp, Citysearch, craigslist, etc.) and many others….the marketplace is going to shrug and turn elsewhere to find out what’s going on around town, for free.

December 22, 2008 – 2:34 pm
Another round of paid-content nonsense by Steve Yelvington

News/tech dude Yelvington reminds Brinkley that the first news offerings on the web (and even before that, on the Internet) were paywalled.

It didn’t work. In science, this is called empirical data. When data contradicts your theory, guess which one wins?

This is the been there, done that argument.

December 23 2008 – 8:01 am
Are the holidays making people crazy? by Mark Briggs

Briggs gives the first instance in this skirmish of the argument that newspapers have never charged for content, rather delivery of a bundle of paper. This argument gets repeated often, including by me.

Do people pay for a print subscription for access to that news, or for the convenient delivery of a physical product to their doorstep? I think it’s the latter, so applying the print business model to online news is DOA (which has been the case for more than a decade now).

December 30, 2008 – 8:58 pm
The web abhors a vacuum by Tim Burden

Here’s my input, a few days late and a few micropayments short. It says Jan 05 on the post but I wrote it Dec 30, then wrote a better version.

I compare the web to a vacuum, argue that paywalls are anti-web, and reiterate the argument (see Potts above) that paywalls will fail because other news sources will rush in to fill the void.

These publishers would collude to create an information vacuum on the web. And the first little leak – such as an entrepreneur deciding to put advertising-supported news on the web for free – will blow that vacuum wide open. It will instantly destroy the consortium and its business plan.

January

January 11, 2009 – late pm
Let’s Invent an iTunes for News by David Carr

So while Brinkley kicked us off in December with paywalls and a consortium, NYT columnist Carr carries on in January with a micropayment scheme – iTunes for news. He argues that music tried to be free, until Jobs & Co. came along and showed how to keep it as a cash cow.

Is there a way to reverse the broad expectation that information, including content assembled and produced by professionals, should be free? If print wants to perform a cashectomy on users, it should probably look to what happened with music, an industry in which people once paid handsomely for records, then tapes, then CDs, that was overtaken by the expectation that the same product should be free.

January 12, 2009 – 7:49 am
Penny for his thoughts by Jeff Jarvis

Predictably, Jarvis jumps on Carr with both feet. Music is not like news, he says. Music is not ad-supported, news is. And news is not unique, like music is.

But the real fallacy in Carr’s delusion is that a news story or an opinion, like a song, is unique—that you can’t get it somewhere else and so you have to buy the original.

January 12, 2009 – 9:50 pm
An iTunes for news? Dumb, dumb, dumb by Mathew Ingram

Globe columnist and media blogger Ingram tells us iTunes was never about selling music, so newspapers can’t have an iTunes.

Steve Jobs decided to sell music for one reason, and one reason only: to drive the market for iPods. I happen to think that he also wanted to grab the record labels by a sensitive body part and force them to bow to his will, but I have no way of proving that. In any case, there is no corollary for newspapers in this model.

In other words, newspapers aren’t going to pay for the news by selling Kindles.

January 13, 2009 – 3:05 am
Is David Carr a troll? by Pat Thornton

Thornton makes a few arguments, but we’ve seen some of them before. His best one is this: people pay for service, like home delivery. Getting commodity news from a website is not a service, and people won’t pay for it.

Simply charging people to read individual stories on newspaper Web sites is not a service. Newspapers can charge for legitimate, bona fide Web services. But what legitimate services have they ever thought of? If newspapers do start successfully charging for services on their Web sites, I doubt they’ll be news related.

January 13, 2009 – 12:33 pm
Is an ‘iTunes for News’ Possible? by Rich Gordon

Gordon presents a version of the “news ain’t music” argument: news stories don’t get replayed.

When people discover a song they like, they want to hear it over and over again. This was the principle that drove AM radio decades ago, and it drives iTunes today. As much as I love great journalism, it’s awfully rare that I want to read any article more than once.

January 13, 2009 – 5:38 pm
Yet another rebuttal to Carr’s iTunes-for-news notion by Steve Outing

Outing points out what will happen in local markets when a newspaper starts charging for news: free competitors will flourish. Potts and myself already looked at this above, but Outing puts his own spin on it.

For a 1-newspaper town, charging for website access opens you up to new competitors, both entrepreneurs and existing media companies. There are lots of laid-off journalists out there right now, and they won’t all go into PR; some will band together to create alternatives (successors) to the newspaper. The local newspaper charging for access plays right into their hands.

He also expands on the idea that we should charge for service, not content.

January 14, 2009 – 5:03 am
An iTunes model for news? More difficult than you think by Paul Bradshaw

Bradshaw reiterates the three pillars of the “news ain’t music” argument – news is disposible, is not unique, and its revenue model is ad-based – and wraps up with the call to charge for services:

The key point, is that if you are to charge people for news you need to add some value, not just shovel your content online. That’s very very difficult when accessing information is so very very easy.

January 21, 2009 – 11:19 am
Our Plan To Fix The New York Times by Henry Blodget

And the plan is: paywall. Surprised?

Blodget wouldn’t paywall all NYT content, just some. And he says NYT would actually make MORE on advertising, because you can get demographics, which advertisers like. He trots out some numbers to support his case.

In addition, we think the NYT could increase the rates charged for the remaining inventory, perhaps significantly (through having less inventory and more demographic info). We suspect, therefore, that the site’s ad revenue would only drop by about 25% in the plan above, if at all. This would put the online business ahead of where it currently is now. It would also eliminate the incentive of print subscribers to drop their print subscriptions so as to read the paper for free online.

His emphasis.

January 25, 2009 < 9:29 pm
Papers must charge for websites to survive by Gerry Storch

This one started a bit of a Tweet-storm. His argument is basically this:

Information doesn’t want to be free any more than gasoline wants to be free or food wants to be free. When Mr. Schmidt stands in the lobby of the Googleplex and hands out free shares of his company stock, then maybe we can believe the “free” rationale. Until then, papers should charge for what they do so they don’t go out of business. Simple as that.

But food and gas don’t get delivered to my monitor for free like news does. And Google stock is not Google’s product. Oops.

January 29, 2009 – 4:54 pm
More paywall retardedness by Tim Burden

I react to Storch on my own blog, expanding on the idea that content providers are in the business of amassing eyeballs.

As someone once said – I wish I could remember who – never in history has a company amassed a huge audience and then failed to make money from it. That is the business any content provider should be in, despite these incessant squawks to the contrary. And a large audience for news will fail to be amassed if it is hidden in private little walled content gardens.

I’m still looking for the source of the “make money from huge audience” quote. I think it was Murdoch.

February

February 01, 2009 – 1:21 am
10 reasons news sites should not use paywalls by Tim Burden

Looks like I’m getting angry with all this paywall talk. So I come up with a ten-point list of why paywalls are nasty stink. I like to think there’s a logical order to these, so each one builds on the last. My favorite:

Paywalls hurt ad revenue

Follows from above, paywalls reduce readership. Someone will be quick to say, “Oh, but it will be a qualified readership, more valuable.” Bullshit. You can get the same qualification by having users sign up to comment/upload/post on forums etc. There are two types of readers: one hit wonders from Google and locals. Your job is to get locals to participate, not try to squeeze every last dime out of them.

Steve Faguy tries to fisk me point-by-point in his comment, so I fisk his comment right back.

February 03, 2009 – 9:55 pm
NYT Editor Bill Keller Reveals ‘Deadly Serious’ Discussions on Charging for Online – AP

Don’t look now, but NYT editor Keller is saying – wait for it – paywall time, maybe.

“TimesSelect generated something like $10 million a year, which was real money, but in the end the company calculated that we’d be better off taking down the wall and letting the flood of additional visitors to the Web site attract advertising dollars,” Keller said. “The lesson of that experiment, however, was not that readers won’t pay for content.”

February 05, 2009 < 8:00 am
Newspapers must end the free online lunch by Stu Bykofsky

This one makes no actual arguments, but hits every note of sour printie curmudgeonry with such unfailing accuracy, I just had to give it a mention.

I know some say that you can’t put toothpaste back in the tube, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

Or, put another way: “I would charge for content even if it kills newspapers, you Internet bastards!”

February 05, 2009 < 8:00 am
How to Save Your Newspaper by Walter Isaacson

Guess how? Yep, paywalls. But there’s a new twist here.

Isaacson says that newspapers traditionally have relied on a “three-legged stool” of revenue: subscriptions, classifieds, and advertising. Any business that relies only on advertising is too beholden to advertisers.

Henry Luce, a co-founder of TIME, disdained the notion of giveaway publications that relied solely on ad revenue. He called that formula “morally abhorrent” and also “economically self-defeating.” That was because he believed that good journalism required that a publication’s primary duty be to its readers, not to its advertisers. In an advertising-only revenue model, the incentive is perverse. It is also self-defeating, because eventually you will weaken your bond with your readers if you do not feel directly dependent on them for your revenue.

February 05, 2009 – 8:22 am
Hey Walter Isaacson—would it kill you to cough up for a NYT subscription? by Bill Wyman

Wyman says we’ve always been on that morally abhorrent one-legged stool:

But papers didn’t make money from subscriptions; the price basically covered the cost of getting multi-pounds of newsprint delivered to your door at 5 a.m. I don’t know what the breakdown for newsstand sales was, but the cost of distribution was high there, too…That leads him down a false logical path.

February 05, 2009 – 1:04 pm
How Not to Save Newspapers by Owen Thomas

Thomas points out that micropayment systems already exist; the problem with micropayment schemes is a psychological one:

The problem with micropayments is not technology. It’s that consumers are fundamentally uninterested in paying per article. Isaacson dismisses the problem of “mental transaction costs,” but it’s quite real. It’s almost impossible to determine the value of an article before you read it. And the amounts we’re talking about — 3 cents? 5 cents? 10 cents? — aren’t worth the time it takes to decide how much one is willing to pay.

February 05, 2009 – 6:08 pm
Keller reacts to Isaacson’s micropayments piece by Jim Romenesko

Keller succinctly nails the problem with any pay model.

Walter [Isaacson] doesn’t really grapple with the main puzzle of a pay model: how to keep it from stifling traffic, especially search-driven traffic, so much that online advertisers go away. I’m not saying that problem is insoluble. Just that, as far as I know, no one has solved it yet.

Either a paywall successfully blocks everyone, including search engines, or it lets robots in and can be easily gamed by everyone else. That is the reality. The only solution is to have special deals to let Google’s spiders in, then close up the walls again. But that, to my mind, would contravene Google’s very own anti-cloaking policy, which forbids a company from serving up one thing to users (a paywall) while serving up something else to spiders (the actual content).

February 05, 2009 – 10:25 pm
Please pay us for our news — please? by Mathew Ingram

I’m not sure who Ingram was arguing against when, like a bully, he kicks and breaks everyone’s tip-jar. But he makes a valuable point. News is worthless once you’ve read it, and people don’t remember or care where they got it.

It has nothing to do with how easy it is for a reader to click a “tipjar” button and drop a few virtual coins. Why should they? For most readers, the daily news is a perishable product of limited value that is here one minute and fish-wrap the next. Not only that, but — despite what many newspapers fervently believe — many people don’t care (and in many cases don’t even know) whether they read a story in your paper, or your competitor’s paper, or heard it on the radio, or saw it on TV, or read it on Perez Hilton or found out from their friend at work.

February 06, 2009 – 10:33 am
NY Times: Please open the TimesSelect books by Jeff Jarvis

Jarvis, tiring of all the talk about paywalls, issues a call to the NYT to let us see the hard, numerical results of its TimeSelect experiment.

We need to get real about specifics in the discussion of business models. I am among those who have been talking in theories and possibilities and I want to see spreadsheets.

February 07, 2009 – 12:20 am
Welcome to the Age-Old Online News Debates by Mark Potts

Potts says to paywalls, “You so old, your birth certificate expired!”

What’s happening is that smart traditional print guys like Osnos and Issacson are turning their brainpower, finally, toward the online world. It’s pretty much all new to them, so they’re having what they think are brilliantly original ideas. Except they aren’t original. Hardly. And because Web-news oldtimers have debated and tried them before, often multiple times, we tend to think (insert heavy sigh): “Been there, done that.” Hence the criticism.

February 08, 2009 – 7:37 pm
Paying a little by Mark Hamilton

Three points: any micropayment system would need to be one sign-up for all the stuff I read; would have to include non-mainstream sources like blogs and Twitter; and you don’t know what the value of something is until after you read it.

Sounds like an argument for an ISP tax to me. Seriously. You pay a little extra each month to your Internet provider, which goes into a big fund which then gets distributed according to what users actually use. I’m surprised this hasn’t come up in this round of discussions. It’s at least as viable (and unpalatable) as a paywall. And it seems to solve each of Hamilton’s “stumbling blocks.”

…the fact that I visit a web page does not mean that it has value to me. The value is only established after I’ve read/see what’s there. How often will I be willing to pay (even if it’s being measured in tenths of pennies) for the right to look at a page without knowing the potential value of what I’ll find there?

February 08, 2009 – 8:00 pm
Mission possible? Charging for web content by Alan Mutter

Mutter calls the act of giving away content an “Original Sin”. Basically, he says newspapers must put up paywalls or die.

The Original Sin among most (but not all) publishers was permitting their content be consumed for free on the web. Now that ad sales are about as low as the belly of the snake who caused the mischief in the Garden of Eden, a growing number of us have concluded that consumers are either going to have to start paying for professionally generated content or there won’t much of it left.

It was a two-parter, so most of us waited for the next part to pounce on Mutter. But not Howard Owens. He jumped right in with a great, angry comment:

There is no historical mistake in newspaper having given content away for free online. It was inevitable and unavoidable. It’s also well documented that newspaper readers have NEVER paid for content. As Walter Lippmann pointed out in 1922, news readers have NEVER wanted to pay much for news, as little as possible in fact, and free being better. Suburban home delivery became expensive for consumers, and they only put up with it because they were held hostage by lack of alternatives for written-word news.

February 09, 2009 – 12:44 am
Why Steve Jobs and micropayments won’t save the media by Gabriel Sherman

News ain’t music. Plus:

To replicate the old print model in which newspapers retained pricing power and content remained scarce, all major news organizations would have to adopt the micropayment model en masse. And that would spark cries of collusion. It’s not the lack of a cool device that’s killing the newspaper industry—it’s that competition and consumer tastes have undermined their competitive position. No device or download service will change that.

February 09, 2009 – 9:11 am
How Micropayments Can Work by Paul Gillin

Music was almost Napsterized, says Gillin, but look, a decent micropayment system pulled them back from the brink. Maybe it’s not too late for news to do the same? And it’s up to journalists!

The only way a micropayment model can flourish is if individual journalists carry the flag. It’s up to reporters and the emerging breed of online news organizations like Talking Points Memo to convince their fans to fork over a few pennies to consume their stuff. Perhaps these organizations can steal a lesson from the music industry by giving away their content free on their website but charging for downloads to a Kindle. If readers perceive the value, they’ll pay.

February 09, 2009 – 12:02 pm
Can journalism go with the flow? by Jeff Jarvis

Paywalls are anti-web:

…experience just tells us that it’s hard to charge for content, that charging brings other costs (subscriber acquisition marketing, customer service, churn), that it has other impact (draining Googlejuice and online branding and taking the content out of the conversation), that there is always another competitor who will offer content for free, and that once information is know, it becomes a commodity. See: TimesSelect. Charging is definitely a case of swimming upstream.

February 09, 2009 – 12:34 pm
Why Small Payments Won’t Save Publishers by Clay Shirky

Shirky thought this argument was so important, he started a whole new blog just for it. Yep, he’s got a blog with exactly one post on it. But it’s a good one.

The essential thing to understand about small payments is that users don’t like being nickel-and-dimed. We have the phrase ‘nickel-and-dimed’ because this dislike is both general and strong. The result is that small payment systems don’t survive contact with online markets, because we express our hatred of small payments by switching to alternatives, whether supported by subscription or subsidy.

February 09, 2009 – 12:41 pm
How to really save your newspaper by Jason Preston

A variation on paywalls, that Preston has been pushing for a while. But it’s still a paywall, at heart, with all the same issues. I think Preston thinks that by straddling the paywall just right, he can have his cake and eat it too. It’s still a paywall, though, and either it blocks spiders or is trivially gamed.

There’s also a perverse little point of economics in favor of this strategy: any club that is sufficiently exclusive becomes more attractive to those who are not members. Creating a “top tier” of reader is a great way to get people to drop a little cash, just so they can be in the know.

February 09, 2009 8:30 pm
How to charge for content. Theoretically. by Alan Mutter

Paywall. And a cartel. Sigh. Back where we were two months ago.

The other gotcha is that content would have to be secured so that someone who bought it could not turn around and provide it to a friend or, worse, publish it to the web in defiance of UN-SIN. Although this is a non-trivial technical problem, it already has been solved reasonably well by a number of companies.

No it hasn’t. And it never will. He says one company solved it but everyone was too stupid to buy it. Right.

I headed one such company, called SealedMedia, until the tech bust in 2001. Our technology was awesome, our system was effective and it was priced to appeal to even the thriftiest client. But only a handful of publishers were smart enough to put a priority on getting paid for their content. Today, they are doing quite well. So, I know this can work.

Sorry, Alan, never heard of them. Maybe we would have if all those publishers weren’t so stupid.

February 10, 2009 – 9:47 am
Paying for the news: A link-a-thon by Mathew Ingram

Hey, that’s a lot like this link-a-thon. But mine’s different.

I told Mathew he should charge for the service. I’m going to give him a dime when I see him at PodCamp this weekend.

February 10, 2009 < 5:47 pm
Forget Micropayments — Here’s a Far Better Idea for Monetizing Content by Steve Outing

Now that we’re getting to the end of the two-month paywall fest, we’re starting to get new ideas instead of the old regurgitated fare.

At first I thought Outing’s idea was stupid, because Kachingle is such a stupid name. But then I thought, hey, it’s not a paywall. And I can vote with my dollars. It’s like Stumble or Digg, but with money!

Then Mathew Ingram informed me on Twitter: been there, done that. Flooz. Beenz. He’s right. This can’t scale.

Anyway, it’s not a paywall. So that’s good. But there’s a great anti-paywall argument buried in there:

A significant problem with micropayments is that it walls off content and makes it difficult to share with others and spread it around the Web. If I like an article and promote it in one of my Twitter posts, many of the people will not read it if they encounter a pay demand even for 5 cents; it’s a barrier that will turn many away, especially if to get to the article the prospective user first has to sign up for some content payment network account. If I’ve paid 5 cents to read an article and want to promote it to my social network friends or followers, will the URL that I share even work?

February 11, 2009 – 3:51 pm
Why I dislike micropayments, don’t mind charity, but really have a better idea by Josh Young

Another new idea. You know a subject has run its course (and done its job!) when the new ideas start cropping up. And we’re almost ready to wrap.

Young suggests that what journalists have that they can monetize is trust. And they can monetize that trust by charging for privileged access to themselves.

Note the elegant fit: increased interaction between one person and another is what fosters relationships and trust. Giving paying users otherwise exclusive twitter access to the creator could work. SMS updates could work, as could a permission only room on friendfeed. Even something as simple as a gold star on paying users’ comments—a symbol that they support the creator financially—would provide incentive for the creator to reply. Tiers of stars—bronze, silver, gold—are possible too.

February 18, 2009 – 1:35 pm
What Would Micropayments Do for Journalism? A Freakonomics Quorum by Stephen J. Dubner

All our favourite antagonists and protagonists, in one freaky show.

But there’s one new voice here, that of MIT professor Marshall Van Alstyne, who comes up with a better analogy than my vacuum:

Putting micropayments on news is like putting tollbooths on an open ocean. Internet users, awash in a sea of information, will avoid new barriers by navigating around them. And frankly, the interests of a free society are rarely served by building barriers between the people and their news.

February 18, 2009 – 7:33 pm
Not All Information Wants To Be Free by Jack Schafer

Schafer says some content is worth paying for, and comes up with a tri-partite list:

Not all successful paid sites are alike, but they all share at least one of these attributes: 1) They are so amazing as to be irreplaceable. 2) They are beautifully designed and executed and extremely easy to use. 3) They are stupendously authoritative.

He then goes on, correctly, to suggest that the place to pay for this content is outside the web. Paywalls are anti-web, in my opinion, so if you’re going to pay for content, do it outside the web. (Still on the Internet, mind you, but outside the web. Important distinction.)

That iTunes is a free-standing application and not contained inside a browser, as is the Amazon music store, is not accidental, and I reckon that its “outside the browser” design has played some role in its success. Consumers have been conditioned to think that content delivered by a browser is supposed to be free. They get annoyed when they encounter a pay wall on a browser but are more psychologically open to the nonbrowser Web interface.

February 19, 2009 – 9:40 am
The micropayment debate continues by Mathew Ingram

And we end this two-month paywall-fest with Matt Ingram.

Will any of these solutions make the difference in an industry whose old business model is being disrupted by a new medium, and may never be the same? Will someone try to put tollbooths on the ocean and actually make it work? Or will we still be having these arguments 10 years from now? I wish I knew.

February 20, 2009 < 11:00 am
Wasting Ink, Beating a Dead Horse by Vin Crosbie

Wait, one more today from Vin Crosbie. Now that’s it! It stops here!

Attempts to get people to pay, micropay, endow, or otherwise subsidize the traditional generic editions in an era when people have so many better choices is simply beating a dead horse. No amount of ink is going to bring it back to life.

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47 Responses to “Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 – Feb. 2009”

  1. timburdenon 20 Feb 2009 at 11:07 am

    My big, giant #paywalls linkfest: http://bit.ly/Q13ZX

    This comment was originally posted on Twitter

  2. Jason Prestonon 20 Feb 2009 at 11:24 am

    This is a great roundup. I’ve read several, but not all, of these articles already, and I need to spend some time clicking through them.

    Re: trivially gamed – that is, in fact, part of the point. Most people are hung up on this idea that you need to *armtwist* force people to pay money for a product.

    I think that’s a bad assumption. On the internet, it’s either hard or impossible to “impose” scarcity on an easily-reproduced product (like a news article).

    So what you do is you add a little pushback (this is like saying, “hey, buddy, I know you’re liking this stuff, but everyone’s got to eat, you know?”) and you make it really easy and morally rewarding to pay.

    So I guess I myself would put metered content less in the category of “pay wall” and more in the category of “voluntary membership.”

    And yes, I do think people will choose to give money just because they feel good about it. Actually the post I stopped writing to leave this comment is about that, so I’ll stop here and go back to my own blog ;)

  3. jasonp107on 20 Feb 2009 at 11:27 am

    check out this roundup of the “pay wall news content” debate on Printed Matters. great list: http://is.gd/kfr7

    This comment was originally posted on Twitter

  4. Timon 20 Feb 2009 at 11:36 am

    Thanks Jason.

    But you haven’t answered the question, how to let Google in and still block readers – even if that blocking can be easily gotten around, and even if, as you say, most people will just pony up?

    I’m willing to concede that last point. Many will pay rather than clear their cookies or however you do it. Still, unless you physically block them, then your idea becomes a tip jar, or Outing’s Kachingle idea, doesn’t it?

  5. [...] I just name-dropped the crap out of this post) about paying for things online. There’s been a lot of discussion recently about the best way to go about monetizing online content, and most of it leaves one very [...]

  6. steveoutingon 20 Feb 2009 at 12:38 pm

    This is great. Complete timeline of micropayments debate going back 2 months. Catch up if you missed the “fun.” http://is.gd/kfXA

    This comment was originally posted on Twitter

  7. Andrewon 20 Feb 2009 at 6:02 pm

    Nice ideas. Something I’ve thought of that kind of fits under the “model for the ideal digital news organization” is this:

    Working with the assumption that a news org. needs advertising just how much should the news orient itself toward attracting advertising? Disregarding the desires of advertisers probably isn’t good for drawing revenue and sustaining oneself, but creating such worthless sections as “Travel” and “Dining & Wine” that cater toward businesses doesn’t make a lot of sense either. Looking at those sections of the NY Times it seems as though they’re more about product placement than news.

    Just a thought. Enjoy tomorrow, sorry I can’t make it.

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  8. Josh Youngon 20 Feb 2009 at 8:04 pm

    Howdy, this is a terrific compendium of links in what also seemed to me to be an interminable meme of yeas and nays on micropayments and death of news. Thanks for pointing out that my post contained one of the few new ideas!

    –josh
    @jny2cornell

  9. Timon 20 Feb 2009 at 8:26 pm

    Thank YOU, Josh. Your idea makes real headway toward a new, web-native business model.

  10. huffposton 21 Feb 2009 at 9:16 am

    “Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 – Feb. 2009″ http://is.gd/kfXA Excellent review and summary of recent business model debates. via@steveoutin …

    This comment was originally posted on Twitter

  11. jayrosen_nyuon 21 Feb 2009 at 9:16 am

    “Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 – Feb. 2009″ http://is.gd/kfXA Excellent review and summary of recent business model debates. via@steveouting

    This comment was originally posted on Twitter

  12. TimKarron 21 Feb 2009 at 9:34 am

    Another dispatch on the clash of media and its fallout for newspapers: http://is.gd/kfXA hat tip to @jayrosen_nyu

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  13. Jay Rosenon 21 Feb 2009 at 10:38 am

    Thanks for doing this, Tim. I admire your tenacity. Good job.

    I’ve been following these exchanges with interest, and sent many of them out through my Twitter feed. While the focus has been on, “would micropayments work?” and “is endowing newspapers really a feasible idea?” I’m just as interested in the psychological part. What do micropayments represent for the people who promote them? What’s the appeal of the idea? What are some of the wishes behind it? What’s the neurotic part in all this?

    For example, it’s clear that people like Issacson and especially Stu Bykofsy in his museum-quality curmudegon call, feel that users have been getting away with a kind of crime, “stealing” valuable content without paying. (Sort of like Google is alleged to do in another great curmudgeon call). Micropayments therefore redress a moral wrong. It’s a small crime so a small payment is just. The good that proponents feel they are doing by settling the Internet user’s moral balance sheet sometimes makes them feel that they have a better idea than they do. I would also direct your attention to the phrase “original sin,” which has come up repeatedly in discussing the decision not to charge. That’s a tip off phrase.

    You also need the psychological side to explain why so many who think, “we need to charge, that was dumb not to charge…” don’t make a more plausible argument: we should make our stuff valuable enough, unique enough so people will be willing to pay for it. (Which of course is way harder.) There is somewhere in the payments roar a quest for validation of the value of what we’ve been doing all along, of our worth as the real journalists in this chaotic scene… before its too late to ever return that verdict!

    In a survival crisis like this one, it is highly impractical for journalists to be walking around blissfully unaware that subscriber revenue never covered the cost of print distribution. It hurts. It doesn’t help them get a handle on the economics of their craft. It isn’t rational ignorance, either (where the cost of acquiring the information is higher than its marginal utility.) Nor is finding these facts out particularly hard. So when we confront again and again newspaper journalists who don’t know where the money ever came from, but seem to be really worried now about where the money is going to come from (but not so worried that they’d spent 15 minutes updating their understanding of newspaper economics…) I think you have to go to psychological factors for an explanation. They’ve been infantalized and breaking out of that is hard. They were told all these years that they didn’t have to worry about “the business side.” The “make them pay” impulse is really a way of insisting that this still be the case.

    Similarly, in the endowment discussion there is a strong element of fantasy: the sugar daddy who will show up and make everything right–so we can keep doing what we’ve been doing so brilliantly–was a major character in Steve Coll’s musings on the $2 billion endowment the Washington Post deserves. Emphasis on “deserves.” (Those freeloaders not paying for news do not, obviously, deserve the daily riches they are getting.)

    Notice, as well, that if anyone ever did have the cojones to pop the question to Warren Buffet: would he pony up the $2 billion and save our Post? the fantasy part is that he would see how valuable, how amazing that newspaper is and part with the cash without asking to see the plan. The wish is not to save the newspaper, but specifically to save it without being required to transform it. That wish has no referent in the real world of newspaper economics, but it does point to something in the psychological world of newsroom denial.

  14. timburdenon 21 Feb 2009 at 12:03 pm

    @jayrosen_nyu Thanks Jay. Nice long comment from @jayrosen_nyu on my paywall roundup http://bit.ly/Q13ZX

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  15. mathewion 21 Feb 2009 at 12:06 pm

    great comment about pay walls etc from @jayrosen_nyu on roundup post by @timburden http://bit.ly/Q13ZX

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  16. jayrosen_nyuon 21 Feb 2009 at 12:13 pm

    “Not to save the newspaper, but specifically to save it without being required to transform it.” My comment on paywalls: http://is.gd/klY3

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  17. kenrufoon 21 Feb 2009 at 12:25 pm

    I like this: Rosen on the micropayments debate: http://bit.ly/D07Ap.

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  18. almarroneon 21 Feb 2009 at 12:26 pm

    Nice roundup of the ongoing discussion on how #newspapers can(’t) be saved by paywalls http://is.gd/kfXA

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  19. Curt Miltonon 21 Feb 2009 at 12:29 pm

    Jay Rosen has a very good point about journalists: For years we were told not to worry about the money. Indeed, we were told it was somehow unseemly and wrong for us to care or know about how the paper made money. We were supposed to be above economics!

    And now that’s all changing and it’s very hard for some people (not all) to make the switch to thinking about the business side.

    I agree: The fantasy that some “sugar daddy” (here in Seattle it’s always Paul Allen or Bill Gates) will wave a magic wand and make it all like it was just gets in the way of innovation and building a new journalism model. As I’ve been telling the people I work with: The days of fat newsrooms with unlimited budgets are over. Get used to the new reality.

    Funny how journalists can be so sharp on so many subjects but not on their own industry.

  20. SpecialDeeon 21 Feb 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Basically the pay for content isn’t going to work: RT @jayrosen_nyu http://is.gd/klY3

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  21. mattmansfieldon 21 Feb 2009 at 12:50 pm

    Thx to those who alerted me to the roundup on the ongoing paywall discussion. Don’t skip the comment from @jayrosen_nyu http://tr.im/gE3R

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  22. onemoreryanon 21 Feb 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Excellent roundup of the paid-content debate, definitely worth micropaying for: http://tr.im/gE3R. Thanks, @mattmansfield!

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  23. remixtureson 21 Feb 2009 at 2:05 pm

    MARCADOR: Printed Matters » Paywall madness: Dec. 2008 – Feb. 2009: It’s been a paywall extravaganza fo.. http://tinyurl.com/b6hlyk

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  24. bcoppleon 21 Feb 2009 at 4:09 pm

    Long but good sum of raging free v. paid news debate, w/ mucho links: http://tinyurl.com/b6hlyk

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  25. rosskimbarovskyon 21 Feb 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Long but good sum of raging free v. paid news debate, w/ mucho links: http://tinyurl.com/b6hlyk (via @bcopple)

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  26. hughjmon 21 Feb 2009 at 4:38 pm

    Reading “Paywall madness: Dec 2008-Feb 2009″ http://tinyurl.com/b6hlyk via @steveouting

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  27. Brian K. Joneson 21 Feb 2009 at 9:04 pm

    With all of this passionate (and interesting) debate around micropayments, walled gardens, etc., a lot of these smart people might be forgiven for forgetting what the actual problem is that needs solving. The problem isn’t that news companies need to find a way to charge for online content. That’s not the problem at all! The problem is that news organizations need to make more money period!

    Now that that’s out of the way, let’s all start talking about the rather enormous inefficiencies that exist in today’s news organizations, let’s start talking about how paper is not news — news is news. By that logic, any proposed government bailout would actually just be government-funded tree-killing which has zero impact on the public’s ability to get at what they actually demand: news — not paper.

    If paper is dead, it’s because the “huge audience” has moved away from paper. They haven’t moved away from news. NYT and others should be leading in the direction that their audiences are already moving in instead of trying to prop up business models that are clearly no longer valid.

    Stop printing. You’ll save probably 80% of more of your expenses. You’ll take some charge downs over the coming year or two, but you’ll wind up ahead because it’ll only cost you a small fraction of what you used to spend paying lots of labor to operate huge mechanical things to spit some goop onto some dead trees. Imagine what you could do with all of that money if you weren’t paying for labor, goop, dead trees, and huge machines (and the real estate that goes with it)!

    There are a billion ideas for how news organizations can make money. I think of new ones all the time. I listed ten of them off the top of my head in a blog post several days ago. If everyone will just move past micropayments and on to the real question of how, generally, can newspapers make more money, I think the creative minds will find much better solutions than this weird group-think thing that’s happening around the walled-garden idea.

  28. Curt M.on 22 Feb 2009 at 12:57 am

    I think we’re going to see a variety of ways to pay for journalism online. Case in point: NPR’s “On the Media” had a story this week about Kachingle, a new service that lets users pay for content they like. Give $5 to Kachingle, then click on the Kachingle icon on content you think worthy. At the end of the month, your $5 is spread out proportionally to the sites you liked.

    The On the Media transcript won’t be up until Monday. Here’s the tease:“Kachingle, an online service that will launch next month, offers yet another possible solution: encourage online readers to voluntarily contribute to newspapers and other websites they like. Kachingle CEO and founder Cynthia Typaldos explains why she thinks people will pay for content they can get for free.”

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  29. Curt M.on 22 Feb 2009 at 12:58 am

    And here’s the Kachingle link.

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  30. ksablanon 22 Feb 2009 at 8:05 am

    Impressive roundup of links related to the idea of newspapers charging for online content. http://cli.gs/a7dQYb

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  31. SophieGohieron 22 Feb 2009 at 12:45 pm

    http://bit.ly/qKpog

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  32. Pramit Singhon 22 Feb 2009 at 2:17 pm

    Interesting article. I would like to add that while all of us journalists and bloggers are discusiing news business and its future for a while now, there are only a few people doing anything about it. But I guess I am digressing here.

    On a related note, we have been working on a comprehensive guide for online journalists at Bighow. As a part, we have put up a list of 14 news business models.

    Hope that is useful for your readers.
    http://bighow.com/poll/Which-among-these-is-the-best-news-business-model-

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  33. John Loweon 22 Feb 2009 at 5:11 pm

    Daniel, I would love at one of your meetings is all of you discussed how we can start getting the kind of ad revenue from the Internet that we did from print. I’m convinced the best ideas for this will come from people like you who grew up with computers, aren’t hindered by the print-only past and so eagerly enter the future.

    This comment was originally posted on http://www.danielbachhuber.com/)“>Daniel Bachhuber

  34. alecduarteon 23 Feb 2009 at 12:34 pm

    Reprovado e absurdo, eis o micropagamento
    http://is.gd/kfXA

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  35. ckrewsonon 23 Feb 2009 at 12:56 pm

    Tim Burden’s history of the recent pay-for-news brouhaha is absolutely perfect. http://is.gd/kfXA

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  36. AlWalentison 23 Feb 2009 at 12:57 pm

    @ckrewson Tim Burden’s history of the recent pay-for-news brouhaha is absolutely perfect. http://is.gd/kfXA

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  37. msbpodcaston 24 Feb 2009 at 11:20 pm

    My French is fine thank you. The crisis that is currently cutting a swath through the ranks of papers across the planet isn’t sparing anybody.

    Web site across greater Montréal, its suburbs and the Easter Townships (L’Estrie for others who’s French is also fine are also facing additional pressures on their already razor thin margins.

    Québecers are often early adopters in all kinds of enterprises so the jump to the web happened early from the major urban centers (Trois Rivières, la ville de Quebec,) specially with the distances and the desolation involved.

    Indeed some towns are reachable only by boat.

    The interior of Québec is HUGE. I can’t even imagine getting a daily or even a weekly newspaper somewhere where there are no roads, no airport (other than cuttings in the forests) and it takes weeks to order in supplies.

    Take a look at a globe (atlases usually don’t have sufficient coverage,) and you’ll be able to appreciate how friggin’ big and empty the moose and caribou tracked, wolf infested, wild fish and bird sanctuary the place really is.

    This comment was originally posted on http://www.newspaperdeathwatch.com/)“>Newspaper Death Watch

  38. Winstonon 25 Feb 2009 at 6:19 am

    Pro bloggers work just as hard as traditional newspaper reporters and get paid far less. Most are paid $150 to $300 per week if they are lucky and the expense of travel is often their burden. Some of these guys are lucky to to make a profit of $50 at the end of the month after they take out expenses. That is why so many companies hire decent bloggers. There is no blogger union so there is no way to control the wage and most are contract workers.

    Think of it this way, a pro blogger is lucky to earn $10,000 per year from blogging and that can involve posting up to five times per day with original content. So they could be working for a New York based company and earn pay that would put them on the streets if they lived in the city itself. Last I checked a NYC reporter is apt to earn $40,000 to over $100,000 per year and most only report on one story per edition. Mind you that I’m talking about pro bloggers and reporters who have the same skill level and professionalism. With that in perspective it appears that newspaper employees will need to take a pay cut or editors would be wise to hire bloggers who are willing to write for bones compared to what they are paying other people.

    I often read how pro bloggers steal stories form the traditional press. That is not always the case. In the last year I’ve seen several stories hit the mainstream press after first being mentioned on a blog. The bloggers are normally very good about listing their sources, but in those cases I did not see the traditional reporters crediting where the idea for the story came from. I guess they don’t want to admit that sometimes a mere blogger can be first on big news?

    If the newspapers die it is because of greed just like all other business models that have been failing lately. Pro bloggers prove that many worthy writers are willing to work for lower pay. It almost makes paying someone $100,000 per year to write three or four reports per week seem insane. Thats my two cents.

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  39. [...] the death spiral that America’s newspaper industry finds itself stuck in — here’s an amazing summary of the recent online debates — and I’ve spent a lot of time writing about this issue [...]

  40. Stephenon 27 Feb 2009 at 4:36 pm

    The news media will rise once privacy regulations fall (or, more precisely, the THREAT of privacy regulations, as the regulations themselves generally aren’t too onerous).

    This comment was originally posted on http://techliberation.com/)“>Technology Liberation Front

  41. some_thoughtson 28 Feb 2009 at 12:12 am

    The three models discussed are focused on the media used (digital versus paper), publication frequency (for online and paper), and revenue model (ads versus voluntary pay). There are many other areas that newspapers must consider at this time. What about the type of news? Do we really need several (or dozens) of different online news sources that cover the exact same story in almost the same way? Which market is the "paper" going to serve? Can it continue to server the same geographcial area? What about the target readers? Can it continue to target the same readers? Should the paper consider targeting a specific type of reader with different demographics and psychographics? Can the paper continue to cover the same subjects (e.g., top stories, sports, business, entertainment, etc.) Or must it focus on a specific niche suject? What about the use of social media? Does it make sense for the publicaiton to use social media and how? what about the use of video? What other revenue models could be used besides or in addition to ads and voluntary pay? Which media / content partnerships does the paper need to succeed in its chosen market? How will the "paper" need to market and promote its offerings online and offline? I am not suggesting that all of these questions must be answered, but this a representative sampling of the types of questions that must be considered. Repurposing print news for online consumption and adjusting the publication frequency and deciding whether to make money from ads or voluntary donations is likely not going to be enough for survival.

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  42. [...] gone to great lengths on this blog (I’ve been tenacious, even) to argue that paywalls are the wrong way to go. They’re anti-web, they’re old, [...]

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    In March, I joined the chorus, on the side of the “consumers have never paid full freight for news”: http://wiredpen.com/2009/03/08/no-more-free-content/

    It was only later that I learned other people had been making this argument as well!

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